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Middle School State Champion?
Middle school State Finals in Selma, USA State, SCWAY State, did I leave any out? Who is the middle school state champion? Why is each called State Championship. Should they all be called "State Championships?" Is the champion of each a state champion? Is middle school piloting the multiple state champions model?
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Originally Posted by Toby Harris
Great question. Let the master debating begin! ;P
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You can you be a 3 time state champ in one year. Not to mention a World Champion if you go to Reno WOW. Suck on that Little League!
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Lol... Good one!
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Awesome
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I would agree...thats why I support SCWAY and what they are trying to build.....first u have to qualify in ur zone....then u must wrestle the weight u qualified in....u cant cut to dodge or chase a match.....n this way a true state champ can be crowned...USA better get wit the program or they will be a thing of the past.....witch would not hurt my feelings one bit....lol......
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The question comes down to conviction. Personally I come from a small state that other than a handful of kids who have done well at the next level (NCAA's)our state tournament is probably more like the southern section masters than the whole state of California as far as strength. With that being said I made weight, qualified and beat everyone in my weight class and got my wall chart. The word state champion means something to me and I want it to mean something to my sons. I have a friend in PA and a friend in SD that feel the same way--one wrestled a future NCAA champ to win his title and the other wrestled three guys that wrestled bulls and broke horses the minute their hs days were over.
This year we likely could have had 1200-1300 kids if we just let anyone in. Sticking to the vision of building a true state series will likely cost the organization a ton of money. So the word conviction comes to mind when I read Silva's question; do we care more about principles than dollars and cents? I do and so do the guys I hang with. The title state champ means something to all of us involved and in my eyes you should have to do more than pay your $40 and show up to be one.
Personally my sons love the cool medals and singlets that acompany all of these events. When the zone singlets came to the door the boys went crazy and when they saw the jackets they were like dad I want one. I understand that in the mind of a 7 year old having a ton of state championship medals and belts or whatever were giving away these days means a lot. But I also have witnessed everything that is wrong with the system as well. So I will go on record
We as an organization care more about the process than how many kids we can pack into a gym or arena. I read Dylan Martinez FB page after his qualifier and it said going to state and I knew that Keysaw wasnt crazy when he wanted to impliment this here in CA. I don't know everything but I know this:
If you want something to mean something then you have to make it meaningful.
In closing I don't want to diminish all the kids acomplishments last weekend because anytime you strap it up your a warrior in my book. However I will not hide the fact that I am not a fan of a $50 belt that says national champion when 6 states were present and a seeding line item that contains 3 state championships this year for a 7 year old.
The word state champion means more to me than that.
Last edited by UniHighCoach; 03-20-2012 at 01:08 PM.
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By having all 3 makes it very difficult to truly crown one state champ and really not sure it matters if there is 5,6 of them... I guess I would call the guy who wins all 3 THE STATE CHAMP... It would be easy if the weights and divisions didn't differ so much but the 85 pound champ in the middle school division one week may or may not beat the 87 pound champ in the 15 & under division the next week. It is basically the same thing as saying I won Nationals last week..."oh yeah...which one?" Just because someone puts State Champion/National behind it, does it really hold water?At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter as they have to prove themselves at the HS where it counts. I guess the best thing is chose the State Championship that best benefits your team..... attend that and become that organization's STATE CHAMP. Regardless, being a State Champ in whichever you attend is pretty cool...
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Heres our example: First at Ca. jr. high state, 3rd at USA state, missed the zone qualifier for SCWAY state so CAN'T compete there. Like the idea of a MS state champ, but need to have ONE designated "state" tournament for the title.
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Who cares, it is hard as heck to place first at any of these tournaments. It's a long grind for these middle school and elementary kids, there accomplishments should be praised. It don't matter til high school anyway right. I used to think usa or scway or reno were BIG tournaments.
A four time collegiate all american who I knew from high school saw that I was nervous as hell at one of these state meets and he told me not to stress, and that all these LITTLE tournaments are just getting them ready for the journey ahead (high school & so forth)
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