Central Section vs. California

[tirapell]

Originally Posted by Coach Lawson

cancel your hotel reservations for March--------Central Section already kicked everybodies arse--------no need to go and wrestle.

Later,
Lawson

One word descriptions: Hawks. Doc. January. Five. $300. In?

[RingWorm]

two words coach. Five counties.

should crystalize most of this discussion in Jan. hope you come this year.

[SH1NESE]

I say Briggs beats Zarate.

[Wrestledoc]

Originally Posted by Coach Lawson

cancel your hotel reservations for March--------Central Section already kicked everybodies arse--------no need to go and wrestle.

Later,
Lawson

Alright then....let's get some skiing in this winter!

[ex-coach]

It is great the Central Section is doing well these days, but lets maybe look at the last 25 years and who has produced more state champions, afterall, stats mean more than what mid-season tournament a team goes to.


See you after open room with some stats.

[pintowin]

Originally Posted by pville ppc

moita-other line up-dec.
cisneros-CS-dec.
rodriguez-CS-dec.
delgado-other line up-major
pena-CS-dec.
zarate-CS-dec.
dieter-CS-dec.
sierra-CS-dec.
gallegos-other line up-dec.
hammond-CS-dec.
cook-CS-dec.
mcintosh-other line up-fall
scheone-CS-dec.
papendorf-CS-dec.

Result score: CS-30 other line up-16
again just my opinion

No way that delgado will major martinez. match could go either way in my opinion

[chewyj555]

Originally Posted by ex-coach

It is great the Central Section is doing well these days, but lets maybe look at the last 25 years and who has produced more state champions, afterall, stats mean more than what mid-season tournament a team goes to.


See you after open room with some stats.

Well some of us live in the present and not the past. There is no question which section is on top right now.

[ex-coach]

Originally Posted by chewyj555

Well some of us live in the present and not the past. There is no question which section is on top right now.

We are looking at a dual, not which section is tougher. The Central Section obviously does a great job as a whole at the state meet, but a dual is a different beast. As far as living in the past or present, I live with results and not far fetched theories with no thought to reality based on statistics or simple math.


State champs over the last 25 years:

SS-115

CS- 80

SJS- 50


State Champs over the last four years:

SJS- 11

CS- 10

NCS- 10

SS- 9


2009 State Champs:

CS- 3

NCS- 3

SS- 2

SJ- 1


Looking at those statistics, over three different time periods, and using actual results, how does the CS even come close to winning a dual against the rest of the state.


Just for fun, the only Section that I believe would have had a chance to beat the rest of the state in a dual would have been the Southern Section. I base this on having at least six state champs from a section prior to 1994 or 7 plus state champs from 1994 and on. Taking into consideration that the thread is about a dual meet, I must admit that the dynamic s of a dual could change results. It is certainly hard to quantify coaching and other intangibles.

Years that the Southern Section was within one state champ of at least having half the total state champions that year:

1986- 6

1987- 6

1989- 8

1990- 7

1993- 6

1994- 9

1996- 7


Lets now take a look at the CS versus the state using the top returner based on last years weight classes.


103 Cisneros (1st) CS vs. Moita (3rd) CA
112 Rodriguez (3rd) CS vs. Delgado (1st) CA
119 (No placer) CS vs. Garcia (4th) CA
125 Pena (3rd) CS vs. Tate (5th) CA
130 Box (8th) CS vs. Briggs (3rd) CA
135 Zarate (5th) CS vs. Irahina (4th) CA
140 Sierra (6th) CS vs. Roadbaugh (1st) CA
145 (No placer) CS vs. Rios (6th) CA
152 Fabbian (2nd) CS vs. Gallegos (3rd) CA
160 Cook (4th) CS vs. Delagarza (3rd) CA
171 Nevills (5th) CS vs. McIntosh (1st) CA
189 Burriel (6th) CS vs. Felix (4th) CA
215 Yates (6th) CS vs. Meulman (2nd) CA
285 Papendorf (4th) CS vs. Galas (7th) CA


Going off last years results, the California team would win 10 of the 14 individual matches. When you look at the above statistics, this pretty much matches the results on past state champions. Obvioulsy there will be weight class changes, but it is pretty hard to predict that while teams are still going through the weight certification process.

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Most of these wrestlers will be at the Doc Buchanan, will coach Tirapelle set up a dual on January 7.

103 Adrian Rodriguez Buchanan vs.	???????
112 Alex Cisneros Selma vs.	Vinny Moita - De La Salle
119 Vince Rodriguez Clovis North vs.	Chris Mecate - Redlands
125 Chris Martinez Clovis West vs.	Jesse Delgado - Gilroy
130 Nick Pena Selma vs.	Shane Tate - Oakdale
135 Nathan Zarate Selma vs.	Jake Briggs - Bella Vista
140 Alec Dieter Clovis vs.	Shervin Iraniha - Monte Vista
145 Nick Sierra Lemoore vs.	Cody Rodebaugh - San Lorenzo Valley
152 Nikko Reyes Clovis West vs.	Travis Gallegos - Foothill
160 Bryce Hammond Bakersfield vs.	Dominic Kastl - Gilroy
171 James Cook Madera vs.	Adam De La Garza - Vacaville
189 Tommy Burriel Clovis vs.	Morgan McIntosh - Calvary Chappel
215 Brian Schoene Bakersfield vs.	Tank Knowles - Calvary Chappel
285 Kyle Papendorf Buchanan vs.	Drew Meulman - St. Francis

[tirapell]

Originally Posted by : )

Most of these wrestlers will be at the Doc Buchanan, will coach Tirapelle set up a dual on January 7.

I'm not sure an all-star dual is in the cards, but it would be fun! However, as you mentioned, MOST of the guys will be at the Doc Buchanan. Those in attendance are BOLDED.